Great Fitness

Interview with Nick Pope, World Famous UFO Expert on 8/21/07

Nick Pope famous ufo investigator: Mr. Nick Pope worked for the Department Defense of the United Kingdom it was investigating UFOs for three years. He is the author of several ufo books and appeared in various documentaries and television.
Ken: Webmaster of About Facts Net Internet Magazine.
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Ken:
Firstly I would like to thank you for the interview, I really like it and I thought maybe because I have a mixed audience, there not all UFO enthusiasts, I thought you might want to go to your functions to the position you had at the Department of Defense in the United Kingdom and perhaps talk about the books you've written?

Nick Pope
Of course, although I still do the British Ministry of Defense last year after a 21-year career. The way it is attached to a post there, is what they do is they move every 2 or 3 years in various positions. In my many years here, I a number of different jobs out there, all very interesting. Those I guess I'm better known for were from 1991 to 1994. I worked in a constituency where my duties were to seek and investigate the UFO mystery. Although it was not in the formal term of reference you can not run a UFO project without finding yourself on the receiving end of anything, so by default, I was called both strange and wonderful. Then I moved into other things like alien abductions and crop circles, ghosts and distance vision, so my background.

Ken:
OK, so now maybe you can let us know some of the books you have writing?

Nick Pope
I have written two non fiction books, one called "Open Skies, Closed Minds," which was an overview the UFO phenomenon, the book concentrated on my own formal research and investigation, and I also wrote the "uninvited". And the only point in all that they had focused on alien abductions. I also decided to ask, really, I suppose, to combine some of what I learned about UFOs with broader issues of crisis management in a government context. I decided to write two novels science-fiction based on the alien invasion, called Operation Thunder Child and Operation Lightning Strike and those who were truly speculative fiction I did a bit of fun with the content, but the main thing is they claimed to be superior beings or life forms.

Ken:
Although I guess it must be very frustrating for you when some people think you have all the answers to the UFO and they do not want to accept the answers that you provide. What has been your most frustrating event?

Nick Pope
Well yes, I think you put the nail on the head there. I think some people have accused me of being part of the cover myself. I have been described, at least the United Kingdom, being a real man kind of character-type black. Yes you are right there are people who think I know everything about the phenomenon UFO, they want a quick answer and they want a solution and they think I know where is the smoking gun and when they hear the answer, certainly as far as I am aware in the UK if the British government and the Air Force over the years has investigated thousands and thousands of cases, I am sure we 'll get into that in a short time, some have been tracked on radar, some of which will be visible to drivers, we have the answer, we know not what is the UFO phenomenon. Most are cases of misidentification of course, but we do not know what is unknown to 5%. The can not rest on such things as alien and, in fact, this statement can be viewed on the MOD website, but we have no evidence that points to extraterrestrial UFOs and we do not have any hard evidence. There are no spaceships in the lines here in the United Kingdom.

Ken:
The Disclosure Project has been some pressure for the last few years and I saw your name mentioned in some articles on the site. Correct me if I'm wrong, you spoke as a witness, is not it?

Nick Pope
Yes, because I had written books on the subject. By the way I must say that I am not an informer. My book and did all my main activities have been cleared with the Department of Defense. Like all the former government or military or intelligence officer wants to write books and I am sure that the situation in America and in fact anywhere in the world is that all those who genuinely want to write a book and wanted to draw on their official working for writing a book after their departure, this book must go through a procedure very detailed direction to ensure they did not disclose inadvertently classified information. I am sure, because I take my oath of secrecy very seriously, I naturally followed this plan the letter. So in no way should I be called a traitor, or simply whistleblower, speaking to or reverse the type of beans thing. Yes, indeed, fine, to answer the question. This information is public on UFOs, which is in my book. I have no objection to my name added to a list of witnesses. There were a number of other people on the list known to me, like Lord Hill-Norton Former Chief of Staff of Defense here in the MOD and much taller than me and his name was there too, so I felt as if she could have my name on the list, someone who has basic could be verified by a trail of documents and can be verified that I am the one I who said I was, I felt he would do something good and I put my name on the list.

Ken:
Do you think they have a chance to succeed in their mission to all UFO documents declassified and access to technologies alien invasive effect if the technology exists?

Nick Pope
I do not know. I can certainly speak with full authority and knowledge of the UK, I do not know what information is in May May or may not exist yet in the United States that has not been released or downgraded, So the honest answer is that I do not know. I wish good luck, perhaps there is a smoking gun, but as I said earlier, if there is a smoking gun, this is certainly not the United Kingdom This is not what I was made aware.

Ken:
When you testified before the Disclosure Project, you said, and I hope I am only quoting correctly, "And if, as governments always say when the probe politicians on this issue or when the media inquire, there is really nothing to worry about, then okay, we'll see all the data. "Does this mean you believe that the data UFOs are not important to the public?

Nick Pope
No, this does not mean … This quote is correct, but what I mean by this quote may be something slightly different to how it was interpreted. What I was talking really was freedom information. I spoke from the perspective of the introduction of the British Freedom of Information Act that many of your readers may not realize that May did not really come into force until 2005, when I know it might be oriented toward the Americans. But I thought ER about information which I knew was about to be released. I was really encouraged by my colleagues, so to speak, to embrace the Freedom of Information Act, to adopt the concept of open government, they at least recognize that there can be some degree interest for information on UFOs and even my prediction proved correct. The British Ministry of Defense is more freedom of information Act claims relating to UFOs than any other subject, including the war in Iraq. So, my submission is actually pre-empt the huge interest and indeed the MOD had disclosed hundreds and hundreds of pages of documents, some of which were classified at level Eyes Secret of the United Kingdom alone, some was very interesting. None of this information but was obtained through an extraterrestrial presence. I mean it's really kind of something. Good evidence suggests something tangible, such as UFO sightings and they are not all misidentifications, hoaxes or delusions, but we do not know what they are.

Ken:
It's an interesting fact that you have given me there further investigations on Iraq, I do not know myself.

Nick Pope:
Yes, it is simply a phenomenal interest, much of it in the media, some of them from the UFO community and individuals who just want to use the Freedom of Information Act Read about this and maybe check the details of their own comments and see all investigation may or may not have occurred. But yeah there is absolutely phenomenal amount requests on the topic over the coming years and it is interesting to note that, which led to decide in the last month, do what the French made earlier this year and say rather that this piecemeal approach, simply fill in the cracks, this reactive approach, a decision that comes case by case, do what the French, listing all records and is currently under study.

Ken:
I did not ask this question, but since we got on this subject, I saw a note that is posted on the Internet. Supposedly, the name is redacted, but it seems to come from someone who is very high in the Department of Defense with respect to place data on the Internet, and that kind of thinking that one of the reasons why they want to put all data on the Internet is that if they do not put all they can tell people the entry road, you know what I mean?

Nick Pope
Yes I have ever seen this document. This is a very difficult question. I do not think the person who has been writing his intention to do anything underhanded. Every person meant was that under the Freedom of Information Act this information is about to be released, we can effectively respond to a request and say that we are dealing with this file now. Rather than responding to your individual request, if you can wait a few weeks, the whole lot will be posted on the Internet. It is much easier to get the Internet that the National Archives, because the National Archives, you must visit. It is very difficult for someone not in contact. You know, once the Internet, anyone with Internet access can find it. The person did not try to do what that sneaky they said simply that this is what the law says you can do. We had to find a way, given the volume of requests to make this a little more manageable. Quite frankly, my former colleagues, there are quite sinking in a sea of Freedom of Information Act requests.

Ken:
I can imagine.

Nick Pope
They are honestly not trying to be more difficult than that, but they just need someone to cut them some slack.

Ken:
Ancient Ufos seem to be a topic of interest with many people. What the Department of Defense still find no evidence of UFOs or ancient artefacts, which could indicate that UFOs may have landed on Earth some time in our past, or that some Former race may have existed on Earth that could have the capacity space travel?

Nick Pope:
No, I have never seen any research done on this issue. Well the terms of reference which we were referred were strongly focused on the current situation. In other words, to investigate UFO reports as they came to see if there was evidence of a threat or evidence of a security threat, somehow. I could do research, but historical research has been frowned upon, it would have been outside the frame of reference. Frankly, I started two or three hundred UFO reports each year, which would be my priority.

Ken:
I guess that kept you so of charge?

Nick Pope
Yes, absolutely. I realize of course the literature of all kinds of people, Von Däniken, Velikovsky and many others, Graham Hancock. It is an interesting area, but this is not something I looked into and not a topic of interest MOD as far as I know.

Ken:
Let me ask you a personal question, she has to do with the question I asked you. There are paintings rock and the ancient statues that some have interpreted as representing men in spacesuits. There are also lower bones of giant have been found in tombs in different locations, do you think our ancestors could have met people from other planets, or we have come from other planets in May and settled on Earth?

Nick Pope
I'll give you an honest answer again, I do not know. I saw some of these rock paintings and first glance they certainly look very interesting, but I also know that people say skeptics we really do not understand the psychology of our ancestors. Some images may not be visual, they could be allegorical. They could represent a person with a helmet on space, but they could just as easily be a demon archetype of a dream or a nightmare.

Ken:
What The famous UFO sighting happened during your watch and making them more interesting for sure some of the other UFO sightings?

Nick Pope
The most significant case on my tour of duty is called generically Cosford Incident. You can go to the website of the Ministry of Defense and by the way is just MOD.uk and if you put in Cosford This is one of records that the Department of Defense has already released and it runs over 100 pages of documentation, it is well worth the watch. It was a case where during a period of about 6 hours we had a number of UFO sightings different from 30 to 31 March 1993. We've had comments UFO from a number of different regions of the United Kingdom, as seen by witnesses who included many military and police. Description varied, with reports of boats large triangular who were fairly well represented in the records. More interestingly, the UFO flew two bases of the Air Force. Cosford them had then called a base near Shawbury and seen by a police patrol in the Air Force base First and seen by an officer of meteorology as an unidentified flying object at second base. Its size was midway between a C-130 Hercules a Boeing 747. While it is clear that near the base, there was a low frequency humming sound coming from the gear that inspired America military combatants on the ground and a very slow pace, it probably accelerated away very quickly. There was a witness who had been in the Air Force 8 years and have seen military jets, helicopters on a daily basis. So clearly, the witnesses here are very interesting. We launched a very detailed survey, one of the first things we did was to check records radar. There were some inconclusive readings, but nothing you can hang your hat. Some of my colleagues in the Air Force, I've addressed, "said in fact it could simply be ground clutter. It sometimes happens with some of the radar base. Nothing to say that and my head very skeptical of the division when he wrote about this event for two or three weeks later, summarizing the investigation, wrote to Chief Deputy Air Force, a military leader of two stars and said briefly, in brief summary, there appears to be evidence that the object or objects flying over the United Kingdom. Now it's about as close as you'll ever find to say about the subject that yes, there is something here and its effects real, of course, none of this means an alien. Its certainly a matter that has changed many people's minds, both civilian employees and colleagues Members who were briefed on it.

Ken:
As we know, many different satellites have the ability to look down and also Space Shuttle has the ability to take photos at a time looking and looking out into space and the United States took some photos of some unknown objects. Have you been involved in a project with the MOD, where observations were taken by satellites, UFO?

Nick Pope
No I have not been involved in something like that, it says, what I did so, an organization that I worked with was an air base Fylingdales known which was part of the Ballistic Missile Early Warning System. Fylingdales course a network of tracking radars and space were part of a monitoring system around 8 miles objects in space like satellites and a key dropped by an astronaut and when I did my UFO investigations with the agency, there were two employees of Fylingdales. Only one area that I can not go into detail.

Ken:
I understand

Nick Pope
Having said that, I'll tell you a story that you just might find interesting. I just had to check the capacity that we had with one of my colleagues and said, well yes, we see some very strange things here. As things moving speeds 15,000 or 20,000 thousand miles per hour, or something like that. We call all balls of fire.

Ken:
Can I stop you for a second and ask a quick question?

Nick Pope
Sure.

Ken:
Have they ever seen something they thought that could have affected the speed of light or exceeded the speed of light?

Nick Pope
No, they were talking about speeds of 15,000 to 20,000 miles per hour. They said yes, we call fireballs. Well I said sorry, but how do you know they are balls of fire? They said because they go very quickly. It was therefore a kind of catch 22. A lot of research on UFOs government is like that, it can be quite frustrating. You do not really have all the answers, because every time you answer a question, you get another.
Ken:
Did you have access all other cases of UFO files as European or folders from the United States?

Nick Pope
In terms of reference we were very limited in the United Kingdom, however, on occasion, we used to get reports elsewhere, we could not investigate because you really did not have jurisdiction. But what I did on occasion, was a little connection, especially with the Belgians. There was wave famous observations on Belgium in 1989 and 1990. I immediately, when I studied Cosford, I immediately recognized the parallel with what happened in Belgium. Not least was the staff who say that I am connecting the main findings of Belgium 30 31st of March 1990 and the incident itself was Cosford March 31, 1993. See that in itself is interesting as the fact that we are dealing with boats large triangular shape which are capable of maneuvering at a very good speed. So I contacted our Air Attache at the British Embassy Brussels and he said an appeal was launched two pilot Belgian Air Force and they were scrambled and tried to intercept UFOs, and an appeal was launched to Major General De Brouwer, the Belgian officer who, after these incidents gave a press conference on this. Yes, it was a major news story.

Ken:
I think this has been released.

Nick Pope
Yes and I'd certainly confirmed to me by the embassy. Yes, everything you read about it and it was on TV. Please keep in mind that the Belgian Air Force, the Belgian Government, the pilot, and Staff of Air Defense of the Belgian Air Defense headquarters, everyone thinks that the camera was a real solid object and there was a story almost funny and humorous anecdotal at the end of this. It was thanks to the kindness and they were sympathetic, because if they were not, we really could not have done much.

Ken:
Thats for sure.
I know you've talked several times, but I am under the impression you consider the Rendlesam Forest UFO case, being one of the most important. Is that correct?

Nick Pope
Yes indeed. Although happened in the 1980s before joining the Department of Defense. I soon received questions about it. Members of Parliament were ask questions about military asked about this, people wondered about this UFO. Then of course, one of the first things I did when I took office at the UFO project was to draw up the dossier. First, of course, I was very interested because you had a report of a UFO landed. United States We have many Air Force witnesses. We have had radiation readings taken at the landing site. We had a team of Defense Intelligence, who said that the readings of radioactivity had been "much higher as background "and again there is another file, another file that is on the MOD website for people to see. Once I passed my interest, I became a little worried, I did not always like to criticize my former colleagues, he is just a matter of fairness and professional courtesy, but I must say the investigation, the original investigation was not handled, I say, how I'd treated.

Ken:
Many people think like that, yeah ..

Nick Pope
A number of fundamental things that I think should have been done have not done. The most logical thing that should have been done, it was not done, was the immediate closure of the landing site, guards posted about it and protect it from contamination. Another thing that has not been done has been taking samples of soil and control samples from immediately outside the landing zone. Perhaps worst of all, we actually were two parallel investigations. The United States Air Force have been busy interviewing various witnesses and take statements and details Crafts, sketches and detailed descriptions, right down to the hieroglyphs seen on the side. The Department of Defense has been busy sending statements radiation, information about the job, getting a band on the radar, but no person was load. No single person was to ensure that all data were shared, and you had a bizarre situation where the Department of Defense knew that the radiation readings were significantly higher than the background, but give this to the United States Air Force. The United States Air Force has failed to provide witness statements to the Department of Defense, such as sketches of the craft with the marks on the side then it is just to start, I could probably write a more detailed review that would probably go on for pages. These are some errors.

Ken:
Well let me ask you this then, Gordon Edward Williams was a major general, I think. He was involved in that, with the UFO Woodbridge Brentwaters he said, recently, it has actually talked to a stranger.

Nick Pope
Well, I'm not sure he did not say that. I've seen posted on the internet, but I'd be very surprised if was a quote from first-hand. I mean, I actually sat with a UFO civilian researcher Georgina Bruni, who wrote a book on this point. We sat and had dinner with General a few years ago and he certainly made no claim. I would be extremely surprised, I'm not sure what the source is, I feel his hand a second or third quote.

Ken:
Yeah you 're probably right, I do not know the source either, I just happened to see her.

Nick Pope
I do not think he made the quote, I do think he saw the UFO, not to mention aliens. Just to return to the investigation of a critical issue, a UFO investigation should be somewhat similar to a police investigation with some of the things you do. In other words you need a plan of investigation an interview witnesses, identify, recover and analyze evidence. These two components, so to speak, are common in both police investigations and UFO investigations. One of the things that can go wrong in the two surveys is the delay and the delay was a critical factor, I fear, in the investigation Rendlesham Forest. Partly because it is a critical period and many key staff were on leave. I think it exposed a gap, so to speak, by virtue of the fact that there should have been a standard operating procedure, so that everyone would have known that their actions should have been. Instead, I think, everyone ran around saying oh gosh what do we do, we never had anything like this before?

Ken:
Do you think it is because nobody takes a UFO investigation very seriously?

Nick Pope
I think it's a big part of it. I agree very much, by the very nature of the word UFO. Some people will roll their eyes and begin to hum the X-Files, all sorts of potential ridicule, and I guess that's why the UFO pilots Air Force who light has never reported, probably because they fear ridicule. They estimated that the chain of command may question their decision and their psychological state, such is life. Yeah I think it might be the critical factor in what went wrong in the investigation Rendlesham. They thought, ufos what do we do? In fact that was one reason, when I fill the post, we have tried to ban the use of the word UFO, at least in our internal debates. We have tried to replace PSU Unidentified Ariel Phenomenon. We felt we were trying just rename the whole phenomenon more scientifically, because it was due to the critical nature of UFOs and I think your assigned hearing a political forum or military or government.

Ken:
Have you ever heard of a UFO crash in the British Empire?

Nick Pope
I have certainly seen, shall we say, all sorts of reports at second hand and the third, but certainly I have not seen a first-hand report. I think this is a site of the crash potential of various researchers will invariably be a plane crash, or a fireball, or even just a great story. So, yes, I heard many stories, but in reality only in the UFO literature, not in one case the MOD.

Ken:
I do not know if you can answer the next question or not? Project Blue Book was about 4 employees. How much people worked on the project to the MOD UFO and what were their duties?

Nick Pope
Although it was actually just me and an officer administrative service in a supporting role. That said, of course, you must understand, that does not tell the whole story of what we could do, or whether the time, they did not complete the project, but whenever we wanted, we could get in. While we were, so to speak, the center of the canvas, but we could obtain, for example, Air Force Officer to impound radar tapes and then to collect and analyze, obtain special personnel, special equipment and making inspections of personnel and equipment. Make sure we have personnel and equipment Special to punch through the formalities for obtaining records Fylingdales radar, so when you look at Blue Book and you watch us, it looks like a very small number. I hope and believe that we have punched above our weight.

Ken:
I think you have done.
Have you never encountered cases of UFO that turned out not to be cases of UFOs, just some people pursuing an agenda?

Nick Pope
You mean an out and out hoax?

Ken:
Well a hoax or something where they used to make a reputation for themselves.

Nick Pope
No, not in an official capacity. I met all sorts of hoaxes, jokes, things like that. There are a number of videos and things like that. I do not mean nothing official, it is not on file sharing sites like Youtube and things that you see on an almost daily. They are what I suspect, some viral marketing campaign or a designer showcase their talent and have some fun with a hoax. I think it is some thing that has always continued. Back in the 1950s, people were trying to deceive the Department of Defense forms saucer literally cutting and pasting their windows and take a picture. So its still not ceased. It's just that the technology to do it is becoming more sophisticated, but I think Berner has not always been part of the problem, but a small part of the problem. Again, without going into details of the database engine we if we had all kinds of specialists, equipment and even personnel to analyze these things, which could easily spot a fake.

Ken:
Right.
Although the question I have to ask yourself. I ask only because there are so many rumors on the Internet. Have you seen all documents that indicate that the Nazis were able to build a flying saucer and that it could be copied by the victorious forces and what we see today is the modern version of it?

Nick Pope
No, I think one of the points about gear-shaped disk is that they are extremely unstable, which would form a very very difficult to fly. Now, I do not deny, it is common knowledge that there were aircraft designers who have been thinking about these things, but I do not believe and I see no evidence suggesting that the Nazis have something remotely like a working prototype, let alone operational craft and lets face it, it was total war, if the Nazis had something like a device like this, they would used. I do not think the thoughts or ideas of such a device has gone very far off the drawing board.

Ken:
The United States had at least one incident in which several missiles were shut down and prevent them from returning to the launch ready status while a UFO hovering above the silos. An example of what happened at Malmstrom Air Force Base, Montana, in 1967. This seems to be a threat to defenses of the planet. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the British government said in the past that UFOs pose no threat. The British government has never investigated the incident and, if so, what conclusion did they come to if you know?

Nick Pope:
I do not know. I am aware of cases in the literature. I'm not sure Americans never shared any information on that with the British government. I do not like to be honest, whether the British government has always called on Americans to report on this point. So, yes, sorry, I do not know.

Ken:
Alright thats the answer.
Over there seems to be a wave of sightings by airline pilots. One was reported on the Channel Islands in April [2007] and he was told about a mile wide. How can something of this size, which is considered by a professional driver, or in this case, two pilots in two planes different, be refuted or ignored by the government or do you think they secretly investigate the comments?

Nick Pope:
Well, I am familiar with this case. I think what we could call a UFO could be two UFOs and not as much as a mile long. I not heard officially. I think I remember an interview with the pilot concerned. His name is Ray Bowyer in which he said that he was just an estimate something very far, I think I could have it worked. This is not really something of value. However, it may be a mile wide seems to be of extreme interest in the short term, the MOD has not investigated and there is a folder, a very small one and yet it is on the MOD website. If you search for UFO, Channel Islands, you will find. I think it is a half-dozen pages. Eh well again, I do not want to criticize, but it is not the most detailed investigation into the world and nobody seems to know with certainty what type of radar sensor was security of the airport, which I thought was the first question they asked. If there is something new happens or the authorities of civil aviation may know something as well, I do not know. It may be that the pressure by journalists and Parliament and the UFO community could cause the MOD to sweep a little. There is a small case file over and remains today Ray Bowyer the pilot, and one of the other sources in the aviation community here seems to be an indication that they are working on the follow-up on the radar, and it seems corroborate the findings. So all this speak volumes.

Ken:
Alright.
It is said that only one in seven cases are reported. When it comes of airline pilots, there are probably far fewer reports because they fear losing their jobs. Airline Pilots may be in the best position to see UFOs and could have a far greater number of observations. Do you agree with this statement and if not, why?

Nick Pope
Yes I do agree with her and I guess that's true of the two military pilots and pilots of civilian aircraft, many of whom have told me in an aside, comments UFO, and many said they did not write a report because they feared for their jobs or they fear ridicule of their colleagues or that they knew would cause them great difficulty. Its extremely unfortunate. Technically, the statement is not optional it is mandatory, especially if the object is close enough to present a potential hazard. Through training, all pilots will have to do and I think is encouraging to see that there were several others over the years, but I think there is still work to do in selling this message to the aviation community. This is not something to be ashamed, frankly, he should be training. It's very interesting, some years ago already, the Department of Defense has already issued a highly confidential discussion on UFOs and one of the recommendations only apply to flight safety, there is a problem, quite independently of what UFOs are, security, had flight as the issue and, certainly, I am aware of a considerable number of cases where there was a near collision between aircraft and UFOs.

Ken:
Did any of the reports that you received on topics UFO not ever seem to be related to a legitimate UFO sighting? For example, did you ever get a report of the paranormal and it was found that it was really a UFO sighting that they spoke?

Nick Pope
No, I do, I think I mentioned at the Initially, I'm reporting as alien abductions, crop circles and ghosts. All these observations tend to be relatively fragmented. I am always wary of bad science to explain an observation by another. I mean, literally, I would get a report of a safety officer saying they were on patrol at night and saw a shadow walk through a wall for example. I consider this report as a ghost. I did not have much to do with it, I do not try to explain a mystery by another.

Ken:
Giorgio Bonguivanni met the Russian military after having obtained permission Gorbverchov the former President to do so. The Russians responded to questions relating to UFOs. The Russian general who was interviewed said he believed there were other powers that human beings and they expected something from us and that information is selected by Russia and the United States on UFOs. What is your opinion on his statement and do you surprised he was so candid?

Nick Pope:
Nay, I know there are so many statements that do the rounds that are false

Ken:
May I interrupt you on that?

Nick Pope:
Yeah.

Ken:
It was on a DVD. The entire session was videotaped.

Nick Pope
This has was the first hand in general?

Ken:
Unless the DVD is a fraud.

Nick Pope
Ok, well I'd better not for legal reasons, go in that direction. Yes, of course, I do see the comment in context.

Ken:
Well are you familiar with Mr. Giorgio Bonguivanni it a. …

Nick Pope:
Yes, I think I met him, he is a stigma.

Ken:
Exactly.

Nick Pope
Yes I met him a few years a ago in London. So yeah, I'm familiar with it. In fact, I may have seen the DVD or one certainly eager. I have seen all sorts of former Soviet military personnel talking about UFOs. What I'm listening always, the dubbing is someone. I do not know Russian, so I do not know if everything is taken literally, or comments are simply belief. For example, Lord Hill-Norton, who I mentioned earlier, went on public record a number of times saying that he believed there was a cover up. He knew not that it was his belief.

Ken:
Although this is what the general is too much, he said just his belief.

Nick Pope:
That this belief comes from knowledge or evidence first hand, we do not know.

Ken:
I suppose you know Bob Lazar?

Nick Pope
Yes,

Ken:
Do you think he actually worked at Area 51 and you think he actually saw a flying saucer?

Nick Pope
Again I will have to fall back on I do not know. I know, that through this literature therefore UFO I'm better at my job, calling what I usually do.

Ken:
Ok, I have a more interesting question. An observation famous occurred at Shag Harbor, Canada October 4, 1967 where a UFO allegedly crashed in the water and another came to the rescue. There were all kinds of stories about American and Canadian vessels which continues for divers and crafts and even strangers. Do you think there is some truth in that and if not, what could be the objects were that seems to be able to navigate in flight and also during the immersion?

Nick Pope
Well again, I am familiar with the matter, but I am sorry to …..

Ken:
I'm just asking a personal opinion.

Nick Pope
Again, I really do not know. This is not a case that I studied at the MOD. There still, I really do not know more or less than anyone. I read the odd magazine article. There is an old saying used by intelligence analysts around the world. The sentence is interesting if true.

Ken:
Thats good.

Nick Pope
In cases like this its hard to say. You know, if I interview and requested a response to each case in Britain, Canada and America, I think it would be terribly suspicious. No expert I know, knows everything.

Ken:
I was not really ask for expert advice in this, I just wanted to know how you felt about it.

Nick Pope
I'll have to fall back on, interesting if true.

Ken:
Ok.
I see where the Department of Defense released 29 comments and they all seem to have more of Lincolnshire in the UK and cover multiple years. Is there any reason that you know, and that such comments would be in the same area as a military pilot tested in this area? Have you ever noticed that most UFO reports were coming from a site more than others?

Nick Pope:
I think what happened is that you may have is a local newspaper. What happened in recent months, the Department of Defense has published fact sheets of all UFO sightings reported to the department from 1998 to 2006, but what happened is that all media local seized on this, they have found on the website of the Ministry of Defense, so they run stories, but only about comments UFO in their region, if you have a lot of people saying that we have found 20 UFO sightings in Lincolnshire in recent years. What they are not going to say is that if they look at the summary sheets in their entirety, each year there are over a hundred Reports coming from different places. I think what you have here is just reporting things in their own region. However, sometimes there are hot spots and I asked one of my employees administrative back through the files to try to map devices and try to identify these comments geographically. Interestingly, what you have, uh, what you have is essentially a map of population density. Which essentially only proves that if a UFO sighting more than 50 people are likely to see, probably not. UFO hotspots actually turn to be the major cities, London, Manchester and Liverpool in Britain.

Ken:
We were always under the impression that if there were hot spots they appear to be nuclear power plants, etc.

Nick Pope
Well there is something there, what you call the grouping interestingly, it is quite controversial. Military bases, for example, has had many UFO incidents, Randlesham Forest, Woodbridge, the incident Cosford although in fact there are dozens of reports of UFOs in the country relating to military bases. If this means that UFOs are interested these sites or is just that these sites are those where the witnesses are trained observers and they are aware of UFOs, or more likely, they are more likely to obtain a survey.

Ken:
Did you ever investigate the abduction reports?

Nick Pope
Yes, this That said, I believe the word of an investigation could be difficult to describe it. This might be called, in terms of reference depth, perhaps a dozen. Shortly doing something way outside our frame of reference, like calling people and curbing hypothetical, which is very controversial and that sort of thing. It is not certain, I think, morally. Now that I have tried to do was give them the advantages and disadvantages of the regression and direct them to civilian ufologists. So I did get the report, I am not sure I can put my hand on my heart and say that I studied in the same way that I investigate a UFO sighting.

Ken:
To this point I spoke to you for an hour. I ask more questions but I do not presume you. Are you alright?

Nick Pope:
I am happy to continue a little bit.

Ken:
Can I change my tape?

Nick Pope
Sure.

Ken:
Thank you. Ok, I'm Back in Business.

Nick Pope
Ok, I do not know how many questions you prepared?

Ken:
I will not go there through all the questions. I wrote 54 questions, because I do not know how long it would take each issue and it seems that we can do at 24 questions in one hour.
Nick Pope
Ok, it is 24 years, I will not volunteer to go after 55 years. It would probably take the rest of the evening.

Ken:
Of course, I would not do that. I'll skip a lot of questions here.

Nick Pope
Yeah, I'm happy to make another 15 minutes or something like that and respond to any really important questions you May want to cover.

Ken:
Ok. I want to talk about Gary McKinnon, do you know him?

Nick Pope:
I am, it will be a very fast response, but because legal proceedings are ongoing. I do not want to talk, I'm afraid.

Ken:
Thats OK, I'll jump.
The next question is just a personal opinion. Are you familiar with the fact that scientists have said that 95% of our DNA is foreign and what you think about it?

Nick Pope
I am not familiar with that and I guess my question would be which scientists have said that? No, I am not familiar with this claim at all. When they say abroad, I not underestimate how they might be saying that? No, I'm really not familiar with this statement and I'd be very surprised if a claim of any integration ….

Ken:
It is the genome project.

Nick Pope
Well ….

Ken:
It is from the scientists working on the Genome Project. They actually came out and said that.

Nick Pope
Alien, I mean ….

Ken:
As in being not of earth.

Nick Pope:
Ah, well now …..

Ken:
Not as in Alien

Nick Pope
Perhaps, in the purchase of the panspermia theory that organic materials have come to Earth by the way. This is not an area I know well. I am a very casual, not a scientist.

Ken:
How about this, you are very familiar with remote viewing. Have you ever heard of a distant spectator picking it believed to be inside a UFO?

Nick Pope
I have heard of it, but again it is from the literature. I must say that the MoD had a sort of project to study the possibility of remote viewing, long after the Americans launched their project was Stargate The MoD has come very late to this particular phase. It was 2001 before the Department of Defense began working on the study of remote viewing to see if someone could demonstrate remote viewing. Of course, I was not involved in and I discovered years later for him. It was a very interesting project, but if it ever developed into a farm project, I do not know. I saw some books written by Americans who like David Morehouse made a number of claims, but I have not seen anything like it in all UK projects. Incidentally the British study is something that is new on the site of the Department of Defense. Go to MOD.uk and type in remote viewing and you'll see what we Britons have fallen short.

Ken:
Disinformation is the topic of conversation among many people today. You probably have come across itself. Without naming names, do you feel that there are UFO organizations that are there to put on misinformation?

Nick Pope
No, I think are a number of individual organizations that make UFO information that is plain wrong. But in my experience, certainly in Britain, I see no evidence that the organizations or government UFO MOD used to put out disinformation. In a sense they did not do a thing. Community ufo is their worst enemy. I think there is so much noise, so to say so little substance sometimes. Governments do not use disinformation.

Ken:
I want to ask you about the UFO that was on the Chicago O'Hare airport. Have you ever told anyone about this?

Nick Pope
No, I did not. He was released a week or two earlier. I saw the report NARCAP. Ted Roe

Ken:
Yeah, thats they say that this constituted a danger to air traffic.

Nick Pope
Yeah I must be totally honest with you, because of the shear length of this report, I have not read in its entirety, but I think that sound, what I saw was a magnificent piece of work by NARCAP. I think it's great, really something that would have a proper scientific investigation and you can not have UFOs flying in space controlled air. The Federal Aviation Agency or others should watch this very seriously. Great interest that there have been reports from pilots and controllers and others in aviation, while they do their work.

Ken:
What do you think of all observations in Mexico? Thousands and thousands of people have seen. I will not go into the record, I think you're familiar with them. They never seem to do paper, at least in the United States, why do you think that?

Nick Pope
I think some of them are probably helium balloons in the wind, to be honest. I'm not saying there is no other more interesting there. This is not something I followed too closely, but I'm going next month, when it is in about three weeks time, I be in DC for the conference X. I believe that, Remember that Jamie Marsan ….
Ken:
I wanted to ask you if you knew Jamie Marsan?

Nick Pope:
I think it is one other speakers there and it may be that after the conference of X, I think Jamie will be there and I may get to ask this question.

Ken:
Several recorded communications are assumed to exist that prove that astronauts have been followed by UFOs and reported seeing UFOs. Have you ever received no documentation to indicate that this is true and do you think this happened?

Nick Pope
Well, I think it's a question common knowledge that people like Gordon Cooper and Edgar Mitchell and individuals such as comments made about UFOs, some of which are linked as to be seen, some of which are related to their belief, which dates back to the question of the statement that comes from firsthand knowledge and Which of the following is belief. I think someone sent me a video of many that is around on the subject the other day. There are all sorts of things floating in space. When they catch the sunlight, they can perhaps look larger than life and literally meet the definition UFO, because the astronauts do not know what they are, they are UFOs. Of course now lectures actual NASA NASA people will that they are probably ice crystals, perhaps outside of the spacecraft or lint or other very informal, material off the shuttle bay or anything like that. I am not one of believers that NASA is part of a UFO cover. NASA does not like to be UFOs, they would probably quadruple their budget during the night. So yes, there are strange things that astronauts have seen, but I think they're difficult times, because they are pushed into a UFO documentary and you get people who are not qualified to really know what they watch. I speak of depth in contact.

Ken:
Here's what I wanted to ask. Have you ever heard of a UFO that was visible with binoculars in Other words with the help eye could not be visible to the naked eye and are not at a distance that prevented them from being seen with the naked eye?

Nick Pope
No, I have not encountered something like that.

Ken:
Well I, that's why I asked you the question.

Nick Pope
I can not say that I have. Perhaps there are one or two cases in the MOD. I not look at all human single case from beginning to end. Nothing should be ruled out in Britain

Ken:
Although the sorting of links with people who took pictures, just take a picture of the sky, see nothing, and yet when they saw the picture they saw a UFO in the photo.

Nick Pope:
I am certainly familiar to many many cases where that happened. I think in many of these cases were studied it was more likely to be the camera itself. I do not rule out something in the photo.

Ken:
Finally it's your chance to discuss anything you want.

Nick Pope
Although I am ok … em, I think my allegiencey the UFO phenomenon does raise important defense issues. I have no knowledge which is a firearm smoking and I am not aware of anything that could fall into that category. It is certainly the way in UFOs, but he Nothing in the way of proof I can show to anyone. I think, really as a closing statement, I would say that I think there are various natural phenomena I know it's probably a very unpopular statement for a UFO researcher. If there is life there I am almost sure there is, I suspect that our evidence will pass through the UFO community. It will probably go through radio astronomy. And I think it particularly interesting that this happened, er what happens in things like the Square Kilometer Array, which is the next generation of large space telescope.

Ken:
We call this the big picture, it's the same thing.

Nick Pope:
You took the Very Large Array, which is already operational, which I think is in use. My understanding is that the Square Kilometer Array is being, or …, construction has not started yet.

Ken:
Oh!

Nick Pope
This is one of the next generation. It will be built, they had four sites, the last I saw they had two final sites, it is in Australia, I think, the other is in South Africa. It will not be operational until 2020, but when it is operational, its sensitivity and the power will be several orders what you have now. Certainly I am aware that they believe there are other civilizations out there, certainly within a hundred light-years away. The distance that contains thousands of stars. Any signal that emanates should be detected. I much hope and I believe that these expectations will occur in the unit of SETI and radio astronomy. I think they are, but that's just what I feel in this time.

Ken:
The interview is now officially over and I just wanted to say I really enjoyed it.

Nick Pope
I enjoyed it too.
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References:
The Disclosure Project – A group of concerned people from all walks of life trying to get the government of the United States to release all data UFOs and alien technology, if any.
Rendlesham Forest UFO Incident – In December 1980, a UFO landed in the woods outside a airbase in Britain, it was inhabited by Americans who saw the craft and an investigation by the British landing.
Project Blue Book – A project of the Air Force to explain UFO sightings.
Gordon Williams – A British general who was rumored to have said he has talked to strangers during the Rendlesham Forest incident.
Malmstrom Air Force Base – In 1967 a UFO was in This U.S. base in Montana when several missiles were taken offline unexpectedly.
Giorgio Bongiovanni – An Italian who was allowed to interview a Russian general on UFOs. The KGB were also present.
Bob Lazar – A person who claims to have been an engineer in the area 51 which has said he saw a ufo there and was used to reverse engineer them.
Shag Harbor – A UFO incident which took place in Canada in 1967 where a UFO had crashed in the water should be followed by a second.
Gary McKinnon – A famous British hacker who hacked into NASA and military U.S.. He was caught and said he found important data ufo secret.
Remote Viewing – A technique which was used during the Cold War by the United States, Great Britain and the Soviet Union to see places while staying in one location. He was said to have no limit as far as distance was concerned.
Jamie Marsan – A famous television journalist Mexican news specializes in UFO reports.
Area 51 – A secret U.S. Air Force Base.

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